[dao-forum] Re: [-empyre-] archiving + preservation

[Kenneth Fields <ken@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> Ours as well, but immersion in as many different senses as we could muster. I think some people want a real-time convo, some want an RSS subscription, and some just want a webapp. And maybe what they want one day isn't what they want the next.

what are you aiming for at the moment, or in the near future? RSS to your 'new nodes' page? :)

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> Ooh, that's spicy. In some ways, English as a language is less-suited for [wikis/likis]. The amazing thing about supporting [Chinese/Kanji] is that not only would you get a pop-up for complex terms like "Dan Sandin's Image Processor," but also simple terms like "computer." I don't know about the Chinese construction, but in Japanese Kanji, "electricity" is a construction of two Kanji -- lightning + dragon. "Computer" is lighting + dragon + machine. So "computer" could be a popup with at least four items (one for each component [character/concept], and one for the overall concept).
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> What an interesting thought to imagine nearly every word becoming a self-deconstructing menu. I imagine that not only would it serve the same purpose as a [liki/wiki], but could also aid in the understanding of the language, as a hyperlinked dictionary.

I agree. Humans are always compressing (lightening the load) - if ElectricBrain (computer), could be compressed to ~{5gDT~} (diannao) ( simplified Chinese script), Then '~{5g~}' becomes a central symbol idea. Text is a notation of sound (phonemic) - not concepts. Characters are themselves made up of 214 basic radicals . The translation aspect of ontology design does offer some opportunity/links to unknown territory. It also shakes us out of western frameworks. As I alluded to before - the human mind is itself a network always in danger of being constrained by an ever tightening matrix of network bonds. Artists are professionals in jostling this structure, with the big prize going to the one who causes major disruption, establishment of new cultural attractors, or pushing some critical threshold over the top.


> > I'm not too sure that your 2d matrix will show this. It might have to be 3d; it needs to be able to stretch out and dance in order to shake itself into positions of greatest potential for mutation when critical thresholds are reached.
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> I agree -- at the simplest level, there could be a map which looks the same as the nodemap from the top, but when it's rotated, you can see that [stronger/more popular] nodes are raised above the surface of the map.

anyway, your images are great. keep it up. If you want to hear it, go to: http://cemc.ccom.edu.cn/sounds/caw.html .
You can see, the sound goes from older nodes to newest - green is left speaker, red (not much of it) goes to right speaker. I changed the black lines (which don't mean anything to the sonogram) to yellow, which means center. 
This in itself doesn't have any significance for me. It just highlights the fact that the mapping of concepts to image (or 3d space) and to sound needs some critical attention. when we change perceptual domains, we can wonder at the 'conceptual architecture' or 'conceptual symphony;' the image and the sound together might highlight something, or bring out some cross-modal meaning. 

The mapping of concepts to space show clusters of related concepts (strong links) - that seems to work. Or does it? Is conceptual 'space' more than a metaphor. Or does literature or symbolic representation (non-spatial) provide a better mapping. (mathematics). Might a symbolic language (like chinese) provide a middle road between mathematics and literature. You can read some older chinese poetry backward, forwards or sideways. The grammar only enters the picture when language needs to be functional. In poetry, the characters are to evoke a temporal flow of feelings, relections, concepts, cultural memories, metaphysical conjunctions.

> > Education was modeled on the first car factories; education, at least starting in the digital arts, could afford individualized paths. More modular (one week in the WavePhenomenon Node) that is shared by visual and aural artists as well as physicists.
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> I think wikis (and especially likis) are ideal for self-directed learning and research. The ability to click on just about any phrase or concept which is not fully understood eclipses even Google for sheer ease of access.
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> Coupled with a robust, tested alternative assessment model, maybe the two could save education before it descends even further into the hell of rote memorization and standardized testing. My mother happens to be heavily involved in one popular alternative assessment  model, the Learning Record:
> http://www.cwrl.utexas.edu/~~syverson/olr/contents.html

Thanks for that link.

Ken.
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